Forum posts about issues with the Holy Trainer 2 male chastity device

Various forum chatter about the Holy Trainer 2.

Over on Locked Men, "ManagedMan" found his Holy Trainer 2 had become loose. He cleverly used a heat reset to fix it:

I removed my HT2 for cleaning and drew a sink full of hot water from the tap. I put the disassembled HT2 bio-resin pieces into it and left it there as I showered. After I got done 10-minutes later, I removed the pieces from the now luke-warm water, drained the sink, cooled the pieces with tap water and dried them off.
Low and behold, when I put the tube into the ring lock mount, it was tight again! It was almost too tight, just like when I first got the HT2. (Source)

Meanwhile, "gayboykink" on tumblr has a broken Holy Trainer 2 ring, his second breakage - he had a tube split (link). It'll be interesting to see how their customer service is. I had no problem getting them to replace 3 breakages in a row. The replacement they sent me has is fine after 18 or so months, so perhaps "gayboykink" was just unlucky?

Back in 2015, "rch1ng" reported a problem with seams. "Lockedwithlove" had a similar problem and recommended using sanding paper, something I've also done. Several users on that thread said that they'd had no problem. Somebody suggested that the problem devices might be fakes - however mine came direct from the manufacturer.

All that said, most reviews of the Holy Trainer 2 are overwhelmingly positive (for example)! Also, issues are no worse than the much more market CB6000 which splits from time-to-time (example) - though, as with the Holy Trainer 2, people usually report a free replacement.

I think that the device is fine for what it is and what it costs; an off-the-shelf specialist device for a specialist fetish that is still relatively cheap compared to, say, acrylic jewellery which has to withstand far fewer stresses and strains. Given the volumes involved, there are bound to be quality control issues.

What really matters is that you get a working device in the end. To date the Holy Trainer people seem to have a good record for replacing broken models.

So, I certainly have no regrets about buying a Holy Trainer 2 which, because it is easy to wear almost 24/7, pretty much revolutionised our relationship...

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110 hours, 3 jogs, 3 showers and no problems in the Holy Trainer 2

...wrote and published a crazy
amount of chastity erotica.

OK perhaps I was premature in posting about how to really get dry after a shower in a Holy Trainer 2.

However, it worked!

Four days later I've just unlocked.

No marks on the shaft.

No skin problems.

No chafing.

In fact, sinisterly, the skin around my balls has never been healthier. I suppose the base ring keeps the scrotum from pressing into the thigh so the air circulates at night.

That was four days in which I jogged and showered three times (not counting right now), plus wrote and published a crazy amount of chastity erotica.

I'm left with the thought that, if it weren't for sports and relatives with children (who tend to climb on you) I could probably safely wear the device 24/7/365.

Something to "look forward to" when I'm older...

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How to shower in a Holy Trainer 2 then really get dry

It's a tube.

Chastity's a weird fetish (or perhaps an actual orientation). I do love my Holy Trainer 2 even though it stops me getting off, because it stops me getting off.

My first reaction when it arrived was, "OMG I never want to take this off." I even used a broken Holy Trainer 2 to make a sort of permanent chastity device.

Alas, part of what makes the device so very sexy is what means you generally do have to take it off; It's a tube.

Well duh, I hear you say. Yes of course it's a tube.

However that's important. Cages are far less comfortable, and give rise to all that unsightly bulging. They also expose the member in all its moods. Tubes, however, unless transparent, take male arousal off the agenda. Xena can't tell whether I'm turned on and we both like it that way.

The snag is that tubes create a hygiene problem.

A tube, it traps moisture and grease, so you need to wash the whole package - genitals and device - more often than for a cage. Worse, the tube makes it hard to get the water in where it's needed, and much harder to dry.

Last time I wore for 48 hours and two showers, I ended up with a rash on dorsal my penis. This time is different - I'm 65 hours in one shower in, with no problem. So, further experimentation is required, but I feel confident enough to share this.

Here we go.

Preliminaries
Part of the knack is in the wearing.

Use the stocking trick to install the device. Don't use lotion, which traps the ick, and do position the lower part of the base ring 3 fingers from your body and the top flush with your pubis.

Do also aim carefully when peeing. Use a Q-tip to position the slit. Try not to kink your dick when you aim.

Showering
Just shower!

However, have handy some kind of container that lets you tip water directly into your tube. I use a cut off shampoo bottle that actually fits snugly over the end, letting me squirt the water in and suck it back. You could also experiment with filling a small jug and dunking your package in it.

Here's how I go about it:

1. Clean the inside of the bulb end. This is where all the pee and jism collects and crusts.You can do this by aiming the shower head into it, though if the water drills into your tender penis tip, it can lead to sharp sensations.
2. Get mildly soapy water everywhere inside. Hence the container. You can even tip your package upright and fill the tube with water so it drains out the back.
3. Rinse (Most important). Seriously. The skin hates being in contact with soap for extended periods. Do what you did when soaping, but with lukewarm fresh water and at least twice as much effort.
   
   Right, now you are clean and with irritants removed. Final step in the shower:
4. Rinse your package in cold water. Really rinse. Get your penis especially cold enough to shrink it down to normal for a winter day. This kills off any flex the heat may have caused in HT2. However the main benefit is experienced in the next stage... 

Drying

OK here's the secret. 

DON'T USE THE HAIRDRYER.

Seriously. 

OK you can use it to dry the hair on your actual head. However, don't let it anywhere near your genitals. Here's why:

First, the tube concentrates the hot air and may cause local scorching. Ouch! Second, though they seem to have changed the formula, the Holy Trainer 2's bio-resin doesn't like getting hot. Third, though, is the important one...

The hairdryer warms up your dick, making it bigger, making the airflow hard to achieve, so trapping moisture. 

Instead, do this:

1. In a room at normal temperature - this is not a fireside task! -  towel yourself down vigorously. Also towel those part of your scrotum you can reach. While doing this, tip and shake your package to get any large accumulations of water to tip out. 
2. Carefully insert a Q-tip into the front slot of the device, at an angle - Jesus! Don't get in in your urethra! - then roll the Q-tip around between the tube and your shaft. Reverse the Q-tip and repeat. Then do it with another one.
   (This does mop up some of the water. However, the main aim is to unstick the skin from the wet sides, thus promoting airflow.)
3. (Optional) Insert another Q-Tip and position it along the dorsal of your dick so the air can flow. Leave it in position.
4. Grab a dressing gown only (we don't want to get too warm down there) and go do something else, preferably not sexy. The aim is to be moving around, letting the air flow.
5. After half an hour, repeat step #2. If the Q-tip comes away mostly dry, you're done. Towel your genitals if they need it.
6. Sleep with your lower half nude, except for the device of course.  

So in a nutshell: 

No hairdryer. Keep your genitals cool. Use Q-tips to break the seal between skin and tube and to mop Lots of ventilation. No lotion. Airflow and body heat does the rest.

Disclaimer: This is working for me for my dick, this week. Give it a try. However, do then briefly remove your device to see if it's worked for you. 

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72 hours of normal life in a Holy Trainer 2 (plus revealing conversation with Xena)

 ...not looking up from her book.  My seemingly
normal wife is utterly relaxed about the prospect
of me being sealed into a chastity device 24/7.
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When I first put on the Holy Trainer 2, my response was:

"Omigod I never want to take this thing off!"

Careful what you wish for!

For those who've just tuned in, after a third broken Holy Trainer 2, I used the device's flexibility when hot to squeeze into a expoxied-up version of the device. I am therefore technically in permanent chastity.

At the moment the permanent is not really an erotic thing. It's just that I can't replace the device if it breaks. I'd rather wear 24/7 than have to wear the Chinese chastity cage every night.

We don't go in for this communication-communication thing, but I realized we needed to have a proper conversation about the situation, otherwise I might drift outside Xena's comfort zone without realizing it. Also, I wasn't going to take this step without Xena taking some ownership of it.

On Friday night, as I did her feet, I asked if we could talk. It was a short and slightly awkward discussion:

"Getting in and out is a major effort," I say. "And it's bound to wear out."

"The implication being..?" she says, not looking up from her book. My seemingly normal wife is utterly relaxed about the prospect of me being sealed into a chastity device 24/7.

"I probably need to stay in it most of the time."

"And?" she says.

"But when we do erotic things, you like it that I can't 
just get off in the morning?"
"Yes,"she says matter-of-factly. "That adds to it."
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"We need to have a talk about it," I say.

"Go on..."

"Morally, I think it's like having a piercing. It's always there but not always relevant," I say. "It's not as if I'm walking around turned on all the time."

"Is there any chance of getting found out?" she asks.

"No," I say, and feel confident about it. It really isn't visible under jeans. If anybody bangs into it, I have a tobacco tin I use for change in my pocket.

"Fine then," she says.

"You're making me feel like you're just indulging me," I persist. "Do you want me to do this?"

"I don't care what happens in the daytime," she says.

"You just want me chaste at night?"

"Yes." She looks back at her e-reader.

I'm not letting her get away with this. "But when we do erotic things, you like it that I can't just get off in the morning?"

"Yes," she says matter-of-factly. "That adds to it."

"And you wouldn't want me masturbating each day?" I ask.

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"No!"

"Well I can't stay chaste without the device," I say. "And if I keep removing it, it will break. So in effect you want me to stay locked in."

"Yes. I suppose so."

And that's the discussion -- not exactly how I'd fantasize about being consigned to permanent chastity! But, it's a busy time for both of us and - frankly - a dry spell. I'm just lucky that our FLR continues with its kneeling protocol and demerit system, and gloriously frustrating foot rubs (I'm still 300% better off erotically than if we were still vanilla. Think about it - I get at least some Femdom each and every night, and always wake up in chastity).

So though I'm 72 ours into wearing  24 hours a day, it's not exactly a wildly erotic time. (Sorry if you're reading for a fap.)

Instead I've done normal things. Trained for my sport. Hung out with friends. Put up a new fence in the garden. All with the Holy Trainer 2 secretly glued shut around my genitals.

The effect is... pretty much nothing at all. I've hardly known it's there.

Observations so far:

• It really is invisible under street clothes.
• Don't wear tight jeans if you're bending a lot -- jeans crush the thing into you, which isn't comfortable though doesn't seem to cause any damage.
• Carry at least two Q-tips in different pockets for head-aligning. I lost one when I took out a pocket handkerchief!
• Striding down the street, the tip of my cock clicks against the inside of the tube.
• For added confidence, have some pre-prepared excuses just in case you're caught being kinky: something in your jeans pocket to provide an alibi if bumped; plus some handy phrases such as, "Medical device - I don't want to talk about it," and "This helps me with my anxiety."

It's awesome, but it's also sad. What a pity the Holy Trainer 2 has such a basic design flaw. Roll on the Holy Trainer 3!

UPDATE: All my demerits arrived at one go last night - 52 strokes of various whips! So much for a dry spell :)

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What to do with a broken Holy Trainer? Turn it into a (semi) permanent chastity device...

The HT2 is an awesome device to
wear, but it has two design flaws

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After roughly a month and a half my Holy Trainer chastity device broke... AGAIN.

This is the third time, and though their customer services were great the first two times, they are now ignoring me.

I imagine that either they think I'm doing something stupid with the device, or else, being a small operation, they are in a state of panic. I'm not the only person this has happened to. (I will say that when they bring out the Holy Trainer 3, I shall probably buy it.)

The HT2 is an awesome device to wear, but it has two design flaws:

most chastity-oriented men
would count themselves
lucky to wear their device
for 60 nights in a year!

First, that stupid locking post which is far far too weak and weedy for the constant pressure it's under. I've had the same fault on three devices. No coincidence!

Second, the bioresin, whatever that is. It really does soften as it warms up, but this is a useless feature. The device's design is already comfortable. All the softening does is cause a risk of tearing -- another fault reported by some users.

The fact the Internet isn't full of Holy Trainer sob stories simply suggests to me that most of these devices aren't actually worn that often. Mine broke after -- what? -- 60 nights.

I suspect that most chastity-oriented men would count themselves lucky to wear their device for 60 nights in a year! (If it broke after that, and the company sent them a replacement, then that gives the thing a lifetime of at least 2 years - a pretty good deal, actually. And I wonder whether the bioresin recovers from stress if you let it rest.)

I used Araldite Rapid

But I do wear my device almost every night, our Femdom doesn't really work without it, and I can't afford a new one: What I am supposed to do with my broken chastity device?

Actually, out of desperation, I've already done it. Last time I had a breakage, I got the spare slightly larger ring and glued it to the tube.

I can't show you a picture because I'm wearing the thing right now, and I've discovered I'm not comfortable with putting up any kind of cock shot.

I'm not saying this is a good idea, I suspect that eventually the device will break permanently, and if you went for a tighter base ring, this might not work, but...

This is how to turn your broken Holy Trainer 2 into a semi-permanent or long term chastity device

1. Remove broken device from genitals(!), get some privacy for a few hours and the use of a work surface.
2. Purchase some powerful two-part epoxy resin glue. I used Araldite Rapid.
3. Clean the hell out of the surfaces to glue.
   This means using detergent and then perhaps white spirit.
4. Roughen the surfaces to glue.
   I scored them with a craft knife (be careful!) and a small wire brush. You could also use rough sandpaper.
5. Apply the glue as per instructions on the packet.
   You might want to also glue back the broken bit of the peg.
6. Peg or clamp the parts together, but not too firmly otherwise you'll squeeze out all the glue!
7. Leave the device for at least twice the time recommended on the pack. 
8. Once set, check the bond then thoroughly wash the device.
9. If the bond failed and you used the right glue, scrape away the glue and start again.
   (I had to do this.)

Getting in and out of your semi-permanent chastity device

OK so you now have a single-piece chastity device. How do you get into it? Easy, thanks to the otherwise useless bioresin:

1. In your bathroom sink, run the hot water until very hot. Place the device in the sink on its base ring and fill the sink until the base ring only is covered.
2. Once the base ring is pliable, take the device out of the sink and dry it.Without putting too much pressure on the tube, bend back the base ring and squeeze it.
3. One at a time, slip your testicles through the base ring. Push your penis into the tube as best you can.
4. Now get into the shower and squirt cold water at your genitals. This hardens the device, giving it some robustness. Dry off and use a Q-tip etc to align your penis as normal.

Getting out is harder because your genitals can't take the same heat as the device on its own! 

1. Have a long hot bath.
2. One the bass-ring is pliable, retrieve your penis from the tube.
3. Carefully bend back the base ring without putting pressure on the tube and free your testicles one at a time. This may hurt a little.
4. Place the device somewhere to cool off, then run it under cold water.

Why this is a semi-permanent chastity device

Xena is also busy, but I
get the sense that she doesn't
object to the new arrangement.

Getting out, and to an extent getting in, is not a trivial operation. I certainly can't just whip it off before going for a jog or meeting friends for coffee, and I probably shouldn't; sooner or later that pliable base ring is going to break!

So I've ended up with a chastity device that's installed by default but which can be carefully removed from time to time if required. A bit like a semi-convertible car with a roof you can leave at home but mostly don't.

This means changing my rules of engagement and regarding my chastity device pretty much the way I would a piercing and body jewelry. 

We'll see how the weekend goes.
I have 50 demerits outstanding.

I'll be wearing it out and about not for any kind of kick, but because I simply can't remove it without a lot of trouble and the risk of wasting £100. 

Right now we both have a lot going on professionally, so I haven't had a chance to think about how I feel about all this. It certainly of itself doesn't feel wildly erotic. Wearing a device has become a comfortable routine. 

Xena is also busy, but I get the sense that she doesn't object to the new arrangement. 

We'll see how the weekend goes. I have 50 demerits outstanding.

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How to remove seams from your Holy Trainer 2 male chastity device

I love my Holy Trainer 2. It's so comfortable I can go jogging in it.

However, the finish on these devices isn't always perfect. There are sometimes sharp seams left over from the molding process -- not a terrible flaw in such an inexpensive device, but one I'd love fixed in the Holy Trainer 3.

Sharp thin craft knife.

Removing the seams is pretty easy.

Removing External Seams from the Holy Trainer

Use a sharp thin craft knife to slice them off. Do this carefully with the device resting on a table and always cutting away from your hand. (Make sure you have privacy for this -- getting a surprise while using a sharp knife is a bad idea!)

Removing Internal Seams from the Holy Trainer penis tube

This is harder. Some people use a Dremmel tool plus a polishing head, but I don't have this equipment. A cheaper option is to buy some fine grade wet and dry emery cloth plus some strong elastic bands.

Cut a finger-width strip of the emery cloth, fold it length-wise over the end of your finger, and use an elastic band to secure it. (Not too tight!)

Now wet the Holy Trainer. Hook your finger against the seam and make gentle circling motions to polish it away.

Try not to imagine massaging your keyholder's G-spot... :)

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Getting the right Holy trainer 2 ring size!

I was an idiot.

My old cheap Chinese chastity cage had a 45mm diameter ring so I assumed that's what I needed from Holy Trainer. I didn't bother following their sizing instructions.

Holy Trainer 2 rings are... oval. 

Months later a short stint back in the old device,  I realized I needed something tighter. I compared the two rings and found -- to my horror -- that the ring of the old device fitted into the new one. What was going on?

The answer, of course, is that the Holy Trainer 2 rings are... oval. The measurement they use to describe them is across the shortest distance!

On its own the circumference doesn't tell us much, it's the cross section that matters.

You can get the area of an oval using the following calculation:

Area = Pi * A * B

Assuming all the Holy Trainer rings have the same proportions as my original 45mm HT2 ring, you get the following areas:

040 - 1396 mm squared

045 - 1766 mm squared

050 - 2181 mm squared

Old style circular rings like on my Chinese chastity cage are of course Pi * R * R. This gives us:

40mm - 1256 mm squared 

45mm - 1590 mm squared 

50mm - 1963 mm squared 

They are all a bit tighter than the Holy Trainer equivalent. The take home here is follow the manufacturer's instructions and measure your tackle with a bit of string!

However I can tell you from personal experience that a 45mm circular ring fits me comfortably and that my most comfortable Holy Trainer 2 ring is the 040. Your mileage may vary...

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